Do you speak English?

Maybe I am the only one afraid of the possibility that my conlangs will be successful one day, or whatever. That is far too much for me. And because these conlangs that I've created are a part of me, I don't want them to be shown to a lot of people. This forum is enough ahah.
When you create a language, we know a little of the way you think.
Kanan is your conlang before being others, you have to love it before wanting people to love it, because you've created this language, it's your freedom, your creativity, your art.
I don't really think that conlangs can die. They just wait for being used again, or never. Yatem is waiting, and I don't know if I'll use it again, but who knows. For me Kanan will never be dead.

As far as I am concerned, I won't imagine what will happen to my conlang cause... well. I don't expect somebody to use it. So there are few chances that it will outlive me ^^.
Nevertheless, that's true that a lot of people I know are interested in what i've done (more than I thought ). There may be some of them who will speak it, after all!

Eweron a écrit:

As far as I am concerned, I won't imagine what will happen to my conlang cause... well. I don't expect somebody to use it. So there are few chances that it will outlive me ^^.

It's the same for me. I don't know what will become of my job. I invested a lot in these conlangs and to see disappearing with me makes me a little sad.

If I want to write a book about the world of Losda it is to offer a chance of survival to all my conwork.

A community of elkan speakers exists, so you've got less chance to see your language disappear than other people here.
When I die, well, I won't be able to know what happened to my conlangs, so... Come what may.

Yatem a écrit:

A community of elkan speakers exists, so you've got less chance to see your language disappear than other people here.

I like to think you're right, but I still believe that a book must be written about what I've done. It's both a dream and a goal to me !

Yatem a écrit:

When I die, well, I won't be able to know what happened to my conlangs, so... Come what may.

You still have the website elkodico.
Perhaps a book about Elko, grammar and vocabulary, withsome texts in Elko could be enough for the memory.

Perhap's one day Elko would be chosen for a series or a film. It's only I wish to Elko.
(But I would like the same destiny for Sambahsa too. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happen's to Wagelioth...Although I'm sure Esperanto would be sufficient for a series or a film_I think 90% of the world don't know and haven't ear in their life Esperanto)

Velonzio Noeudefée a écrit:

You still have the website elkodico.

Yes but if I die, nobody will take car of it !

Velonzio a écrit:

Perhaps a book about Elko, grammar and vocabulary, withsome texts in Elko could be enough for the memory.

I want to write one about the genesis of this conlang, its grammare ... But I want to start to write about the Losda.

Velonzio a écrit:

Perhap's one day Elko would be chosen for a series or a film. It's only I wish to Elko.

I'd like it. Especially a serie about Losda world.

You would be surprised, Vélonzio, of how many people know that Esperanto exists. Or perhaps I am lucky and have a lot of friends who seem to be involved in languages, I dunno ^^.

Just...
Creation of conlangs sometimes makes me feel useless. I mean, this hobby has no positive or negative impact, it's pointless (as an artistic language, not an auxiliary one). I sit down in front of my computer or my notebook and spend one, two, three hours working on grammar rules. A friend of mine said me once "Why are you wasting your time for something such useless? It's cool, yeah, but, well, it's your own pleasure and it has no point for anyone else". Another told me "No one will ever speak your kind of language, so why are doing this? It's so strange".
I thought I was a stupid person to do that before I've known this forum, but sometimes, when I look at all my translations works, my grammar or my dictionary, I am still asking myself "You spend your time for something which will be forgotten, which is useless for human beings, which makes you feel like an alien in front of your friends when you're at highschool... Damn... Why are you doing this, man?"
Such a depressed speech I just wrote, sorry.
I needed to say it.

I think it's a (creative) way for our mind to think, to assimilate new language knowledges and to test them.
I don't think it's completely useless or a waste of time, perhap's for the other, for the humanity, because it looks like so. But for you, for you way of thinking, no. It's your way to understand and build the language and languages and so, you learn more that's any other way. I'm sure.

Do you have any problem to understand something in another languages you learn compararely the others ?

Furthermore we have, here on our forum a lot of e-friends/conlangfriends. You're not alone. (a really good music from Everythingbutheless in my memory, perhap's I'm false).

Stay high (another good electronic music to my point of view).

Yatem a écrit:

You would be surprised, Vélonzio, of how many people know that Esperanto exists. Or perhaps I am lucky and have a lot of friends who seem to be involved in languages, I dunno ^^.

Just...
Creation of conlangs sometimes makes me feel useless. I mean, this hobby has no positive or negative impact, it's pointless (as an artistic language, not an auxiliary one). I sit down in front of my computer or my notebook and spend one, two, three hours working on grammar rules. A friend of mine said me once "Why are you wasting your time for something such useless? It's cool, yeah, but, well, it's your own pleasure and it has no point for anyone else". Another told me "No one will ever speak your kind of language, so why are doing this? It's so strange".
I thought I was a stupid person to do that before I've known this forum, but sometimes, when I look at all my translations works, my grammar or my dictionary, I am still asking myself "You spend your time for something which will be forgotten, which is useless for human beings, which makes you feel like an alien in front of your friends when you're at highschool... Damn... Why are you doing this, man?"
Such a depressed speech I just wrote, sorry.
I needed to say it.

I understand that feeling. Sometimes, I feel the same. Sometimes, I feel it's like music or painting. Though, you can share music and painting with many more people.

Anyways... it helped me a little to improve my english and my knowledges about linguistic and grammar... and to meet this forum... so, I supposed it wasn't a complete lost of time.

Or... maybe it's not a waste of time only if this hobby become a profession (screenwriter, with a linguistic specialisation), or at least maybe if it allows you to make a lot of friends all over the world.

As far as I am concerned, I will soon take a break in conlanging, at least until I get a job: right now, I need to focus on my bankable hobbies ^^

Perhaps I understand and improve better in languages than other people - not trying to say that I'm superior, no, sorry if it looks like I'm saying that... Just what I see.
I progress faster in English, Italian and Ancient Greek since I know some stuff about linguistics and phonology, I do have some knowledge in matter of grammar that other pupils at school don't have, but...
Just as Seweli said.
When I was drawing with my friends, it wasn't a selfish pleasure as conlanging.
When I was beatboxing, rapping, singing I could share it and so it wasn't just my own satisfaction to product it.
Many times I decided to stop creating languages because it was pointless for me. But everytime I came back to it. It is like if... I needed to do that to feel good in my life. Kind of a creepy relationship with conlangs you'll say, and I agree with you ahah.
I know I'm not alone since I knew this forum, and really it makes me feel so normal, it's so great . I look like someone desperate when I write this, God.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that I'm able to write in English pretty good and without too much mistakes.

And... Happy new year and I hope Santa Claus spoiled you ahah !!

But if you look a lot of hobby are selfish and alone doing...
How many people are building a boat in their garage (carbox?), practice scale modeling, painting, practice sport in a very intensive way. I think it's waste of time, too ?
Yes, it's possible to do sport or to paint together, but the painter is always alone in front of his/her paint. It's true there's practice of music. It's possible to construct a lang together too, isnt'it ?

It's true I'm not at this level, but then I see Linguisticae, Ziecken and his Elko, Olivier Simon and his Sambahsa, Llengua Perchisca and his Perciscan, in an other way the Aneuvian and the lexical, I think it's possible to become important, to reach an important result.

I like the idea we have so much ideas and we find languages so interesting (we love them indeed) that we need another way to exprim theses ideas as artits...I'm not so far to consider conlanging as an art. (I'm sorry for Ziecken )

Everytime I heard a conlanger (male or female) desperate, ready to stop or to stop a conlang, I'm sad.

Yatem a écrit:

Many times I decided to stop creating languages because it was pointless for me. But everytime I came back to it. It is like if... I needed to do that to feel good in my life. Kind of a creepy relationship with conlangs you'll say, and I agree with you ahah.

At first, I made the same observation. I found that conlanging was pointless but I wanted to change that and find a purpose to my passion, so as not to feel like wasting my time in vain.
So I worked on the propaedeutic aspect of elko and that satisfies me today.
Now, other projects such as translating Elkodico into several languages ​​will allow me to train in German, English, Elko, Italian and Spanish.

Velonzio a écrit:

I like the idea we have so much ideas and we find languages so interesting (we love them indeed) that we need another way to exprim theses ideas as artits...I'm not so far to consider conlanging as an art. (I'm sorry for Ziecken Wink )

It's OK ! I'm still thinking that conlanging is an art even more when I see the work of Graphieros. But I think it's important for everyone to keep their point of view, even if it's different from others.

Velonzio a écrit:

It's true I'm not at this level, but then I see Linguisticae, Ziecken and his Elko, Olivier Simon and his Sambahsa, Llengua Perchisca and his Perciscan, in an other way the Aneuvian and the lexical, I think it's possible to become important, to reach an important result.

I'm flattered !

Yes, a lot of hobbies are selfish, you're right. Maybe because it's a strange and rare passion that some people have - well, that's my own experience about it -, that it's less accepted to like doing this kind of stuff and that most of my friends laugh at me when I speak about my languages, maybe that's why I've got the impression to have a very selfish and useless hobby. I don't know. Makes me sad.
When I see all the incredible work of others here, God ! Anoev, Ziecken, Bedal, Olivier... Damn, I look like a such little and ridiculous creator among of them!
I see absolutely no purpose for my languages, unlike Elko which is indeed propaedeutic - and it helps me so much with this f*****g grammar cases that Latin made me dislike ahah -.
Well, so be it. I will waste my time, doing something I love. That will be still great, I suppose .

Yatem a écrit:

Yes, a lot of hobbies are selfish, you're right.

But when others learn your new language it becomes a hobby of sharing !

Yatem a écrit:

Maybe because it's a strange and rare passion that some people have - well, that's my own experience about it -, that it's less accepted to like doing this kind of stuff and that most of my friends laugh at me when I speak about my languages, maybe that's why I've got the impression to have a very selfish and useless hobby. I don't know. Makes me sad.

It's weirdbut it never was the case for me. My entourage - and even my parents - have always found this original and interesting hobby. They say they are more admirating than critical.

Yatem a écrit:

When I see all the incredible work of others here, God ! Anoev, Ziecken, Bedal, Olivier... Damn, I look like a such little and ridiculous creator among of them!

Don't think that. Time and passion are the only way to reach such a result.

Yatem a écrit:

I see absolutely no purpose for my languages, unlike Elko which is indeed propaedeutic - and it helps me so much with this f*****g grammar cases that Latin made me dislike ahah -.
Well, so be it. I will waste my time, doing something I love. That will be still great, I suppose .

I wanted that elko to be propaedeutic to prevent this work from being futile. It's for this reason too that I wanted this language to be simple.

This propaedeutic will was born following a questionnaire that I circulated for two years before the official birth of elko.

Ziecken a écrit:

Yatem a écrit:

Maybe because it's a strange and rare passion that some people have - well, that's my own experience about it -, that it's less accepted to like doing this kind of stuff and that most of my friends laugh at me when I speak about my languages, maybe that's why I've got the impression to have a very selfish and useless hobby. I don't know. Makes me sad.

It's weirdbut it never was the case for me. My entourage - and even my parents - have always found this original and interesting hobby. They say they are more admirating than critical.

Yeah, same for me, only academics so far have expressed any semblance of doubt for my hobby. I guess that the fact that Ziecken speaks LSF and I study Russian had introduced our respective entourages to acceptance of even more exotic ventures.

Yatem a écrit:

When I see all the incredible work of others here, God Anoev, Ziecken, Bedal, Olivier... Damn, I look like a such little and ridiculous creator among of them!

Looking back, I can only congratulate myself on having made so much progress, and so will you after a few years

Yatem a écrit:

Perhaps I understand and improve better in languages than other people - not trying to say that I'm superior, no, sorry if it looks like I'm saying that... Just what I see.
I progress faster in English, Italian and Ancient Greek since I know some stuff about linguistics and phonology, I do have some knowledge in matter of grammar that other pupils at school don't have, but...

Yatem a écrit:

I see absolutely no purpose for my languages, unlike Elko which is indeed propaedeutic - and it helps me so much with this f*****g grammar cases that Latin made me dislike ahah -.

I remember cheating at Latin exams by writing the syntactic equivalents of case on my palm... saying she are after four years of English...
By crafting your language you're honing your linguistic skills : true fact.

Mardikhouran a écrit:

I guess that the fact that Ziecken speaks LSF and I study Russian had introduced our respective entourages to acceptance of even more exotic ventures.

I never thought about that, but yes, I guesse that what nobody teased me about conlanging !

Ziecken a écrit:

It's weirdbut it never was the case for me. My entourage - and even my parents - have always found this original and interesting hobby. They say they are more admirating than critical.

My family doesn't care about conlanging, they find more funny me speaking about languages as Irish Gaelic or LSF than me creating Cornese or Mnad .
Yet most of my friends find ridiculous and childish conlanging.

Mardikhouran a écrit:

Yeah, same for me, only academics so far have expressed any semblance of doubt for my hobby. I guess that the fact that Ziecken speaks LSF and I study Russian had introduced our respective entourages to acceptance of even more exotic ventures.

I met two linguists, and one of them was absolutely found of creating languages whereas the other one was contemptuous, she really disappointed me.
Maybe because I'm so into languages it made my family such jaded about that ahah. Since they know that I want to learn Icelandic and Danish at college, they are just like... "ok, do what you want with languages, don't care" .

Mardikhouran a écrit:

Looking back, I can only congratulate myself on having made so much progress, and so will you after a few years Wink

I hope I will...

Yatem a écrit:

My family doesn't care about conlanging, they find more funny me speaking about languages as Irish Gaelic or LSF than me creating Cornese or Mnad Razz.
Yet most of my friends find ridiculous and childish conlanging.

When I said to my family that I wanted to created languages, I said that was for a book and that's better than just for pleasure.

do you speak LSF ?

Ziecken a écrit:

Do you speak LSF ?

I have the basics, thanks to a friend of mine who learn it at my highschool. I had to make a choice between LSF and Italian, unfortunely... I wish I could learn it, but I don't know where :/
It is a language I find fascinating, I love it.

Yatem a écrit:

Ziecken a écrit:

Do you speak LSF ?

I have the basics, thanks to a friend of mine who learn it at my highschool. I had to make a choice between LSF and Italian, unfortunely... I wish I could learn it, but I don't know where :/
It is a language I find fascinating, I love it.

I learnt italian at school and lsf with deaf friends of mine. If you live around here i'd teach it to you.

Ziecken a écrit:

I learnt italian at school and lsf with deaf friends of mine. If you live around here i'd teach it to you. Smile Smile Smile

I wish it could be possible, what a pity, Alsace and Ile-de-France aren't close
I'll continue to be taught by my friend - well, when she can...

I agree with the members above, since conlanging made me appreciate again linguistics and grammar after years of disgust because of the annoying language classes... Maybe I improved my language skills too, and I'm no longer frightened by English ^^

I also felt useless while creating an artistic language. But I quickly changed my mind when I joined this forum ^^
I mean, even if this hobby was useless, at least there are hundreds of people who share the same passion...  it is good to not be alone

Besides, there is another reason : indeed, I realized that conlanging is merely an art form, like painting, writing or sculpture...
Because I am also a writer and a creator of imaginary worlds, I thought that it should be obvious for people...

But this quote shows me the contrary :

Yatem a écrit:

A friend of mine said me once "Why are you wasting your time for something such useless? It's cool, yeah, but, well, it's your own pleasure and it has no point for anyone else". Another told me "No one will ever speak your kind of language, so why are doing this? It's so strange".

I would have answered that it is as pointless as writing a novel or drawing imaginary countries Creative people with a lot of imagination don't mind waste their time on this kind of activities x)

About my languages, at least they will be spoken by my imaginary inhabitants ^^

And there's the pleasure of the creation. we can say : I created a language. I'm creating a language.
They are some searchers who do the same as for Toki Pona, but Mardikhouran and Olivier Simon with Sambahsa too.

To my work, I say it a little (It's a short mission: 9 months). then one of my worksneighbour told me as Linguisticae, I wash his videos, he created a language for a serie.
I was a little bit flattered, she knows this reference : Linguisticae and one of his last project, and not the more uninteresting in regards to the conlanging.

What I appreciate with conlanging is the fact that everything can be useful in the creation of language : history, geography, music, geology, astronomy, sociology, philosophy, arts etc.