360 SIMPLE words

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Bonjour

J'ai dans mes archives une double page papier qui liste les 360 mots d'un langage appelé SIMPLE et qui est une version très simplifiée de l'anglais.

Impossible de remettre la main sur le site dont j'ai tiré ma double page imprimée. Même en passant par un moteur de recherche. Si quelqu'un avait une piste...

Je vous communique le dernier paragraphe qui donne une assez bonne idée de ce SIMPLE :
English speakers posiblely think that they be'able to-do no'thing to-use SIMPLE; but they be un'correct! Normal English speakers be'able to-understand SIMPLE now; but NOT be'able to-answer (and be understand'ed); until they think conscious'ly to-operate within the boundarys of the 360 words.

Perso, je ne comprends pas bien la différence entre le tiret et l'apostrophe...

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PatrikGC a écrit:: Perso, je ne comprends pas bien la différence entre le tiret et l'apostrophe...

Il me semble que le tiret relie des mots, alors que l'apostrophe indique un affixe. Cet usage de l'apostrophe existait dans l'espéranto des origines.

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lsd a écrit:: Que n'en faisons nous autant pour le français

Vas-y! Le problème du français, ce sont les conjugaisons.

"Sans Accent", si ma mémoire est bonne, avait inventé le "français simple".

Pour le Simple "English", ça ne résoud pas le problème de la prononciation.
Avant-hier, j'ai regardé CNN (mes parents se sont installés un bouquet numérique) qui retransmettait la conférence de presse de J.Kerry : mon Dieu, j'avais du mal à comprendre la traductrice japonaise. Et puis même J.Kerry semblait avoir du mal à prononcer "denuclearization"....

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Je viens de faire une nouvelle recherche en utilisant un maximum de mots et de phrases trouvés dans mes 2 pages, seule trace de ce SIMPLE : je trouve ce topique (l'indexation va vite sur le web) mais toujours pas le site original...
Je pense qu'il a sombré corps et bien depuis qques années...

Pour le français simple, il y a tjrs moyen de le parler sauce "petit chinois" ou "petit négre".

Avant :
Le français simple ne consiste quasiment qu'à n'utiliser que des verbes du 1er groupe, la simplification est limitée et à l'écrit pas certaine, et très loin des simplifications de l'anglais.
Après :
Français simple consister quasiment utiliser que verbes de 1er groupe, simplification être limité(e)/limiter, et pas/non certaine à écrit, et très loin de simplifications de anglais.

Je penche pour "non certaine", ce qui généralise ce mot "non".
Pour les participes, je suggère de recourir au verbe à l'infinitif avec éventuellememt une marque temporelle.
Ou bien, on remplace tous les verbes par des noms... utiliser --> utilisation/outil

"Operate" ne me semble pas être un mot très courant. Je ne comprends pas très bien pourquoi il fait partie de cette liste de mots.

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Le grand maître admin-fondateur est de retour. - Bedal
Original, bien justifié, et différent du sambahsa et de l'uropi. - Velonzio Noeudefée
Nemszev m'a fait une remarque l'autre jour, et j'y ai beaucoup réfléchi depuis. - Djino
J'ai beaucoup de tendresse pour ta flexion verbale. - Doj-Pater
Pourquoi t'essaies de réinventer le sambahsa ? - Olivier Simon
Oupses ! - Anoev

PatrikGC a écrit:: Après :
Français simple consister quasiment utiliser que verbes de 1er groupe, simplification être limité(e)/limiter, et pas/non certaine à écrit, et très loin de simplifications de anglais.

Pour certains verbes, ça va éter vach'ment difficile ! ne serait-ce, par exemple, pour distinguer "ouvrer" d'"ouvrir", "fonder" de "fondre", "peindre" de "peigner" et j'en passe ! Déjà que, là n'dans y a des formes homophones (fonderai, fondrai) voire homonymes parfaites (peignais, ouvrant...).

Utiliser seulement l'infinitif ? Quel appauvrissement ! Et p'is comment on pourra distinguer "saillir" (jaillir : 2me groupe) de "saillir" (dépasser : 3me groupe) ?

Personnellement, je préfère utiliser les trois groupes, même si des fois, je peste contre certaines formes venues on n'sait d'où !

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Ça pas être français ? Moi surpris !

Pour "operate", je suppose que ce mot est assez vague et s'applique à bcp de choses. Il est bien dans la liste des verbes.

Utiliser un verbe à l'infinitif reste la solution la + simple dans un 1er temps pour la conjugaison :

moi manger / maintenant moi manger / moi là manger
moi aller manger / moi va manger / moi bientôt manger / demain moi manger
hier moi manger / moi finir manger / moi ya manger

On peut éventuellement dégager 3 mots outils (qui riment) : là / va / ya pour conjuguer un verbe...
L'autre solution reste de remplacer les verbes par des noms : manger --> repas

Pour les participes passés et présents, je vais me creuser un peu la tête...

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en.... créole ? Razz

Oui, je crois que simplifier le français est une tâche ardue, à moins de le transformer complètement.
On pourrait garder les classes de verbes, mais simplement changer vaguement leur forme et garder toutes les formes du verbe "être" car il est trop courant pour être changé.

On peut créer un français plus simple, mais à trop simplifier, ça en devient une langue trop artificielle.
Je pense que ce qui est très difficile en français, c'est la prononciation surtout.

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Le grand maître admin-fondateur est de retour. - Bedal
Original, bien justifié, et différent du sambahsa et de l'uropi. - Velonzio Noeudefée
Nemszev m'a fait une remarque l'autre jour, et j'y ai beaucoup réfléchi depuis. - Djino
J'ai beaucoup de tendresse pour ta flexion verbale. - Doj-Pater
Pourquoi t'essaies de réinventer le sambahsa ? - Olivier Simon
Oupses ! - Anoev

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Nemszev a écrit:: On peut créer un français plus simple, mais à trop simplifier, ça en devient une langue trop artificielle.
Je pense que ce qui est très difficile en français, c'est la prononciation surtout.

Je pense que ce qui peut être simplifié, ce ne sont pas les règles en général, bien trop implantées, mais surtout les exceptions qui ne touchent qu'un ou deux mots*.

*Et encore ! je parle de mots rares, parce que, bien que ce soit le SEUL mot de la langue qui contienne un Ù, je me demande comment on pourrait bien "dévisser" ce mot hyper-courant qu'est "où" !

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Il y a bien le français fondamental.

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J'ai retrouvé dans mes archives un copier-coller du site initial.
Si ça intéresse qqun que je le poste ici...

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Voici le texte en question :

SIMPLE Learning_Environment[/size]

Picture Document Help for: Not_English Speakers;
but English Speakers be'able to-learn more-good
by hearing 360 words again and again.

World Order, World Peace

THIS NOT BE ENGLISH; but YOU BE'ABLE TO-READ IT.

1. SIMPLE: Standard International Make-Point Language--English.

FACT: English NOW be the true international language in the skys, on the water, and in international_communications (example: packet-radio). AIR_SPEAK be a boundary'ed English for airplane operaters, SEA_SPEAK be cut_down English between international water_vehicles, and SIMPLE be a 'needed' standard, boundary'ed English for computer_network communications world-wide. SIMPLE have less than 360 words (degrees a'round) to learn. If every learn'ed person world-wide (no matter what he's nation_language did-be) did-know of this 360 words, did-use theym for Internet and Packet international communication, and dayly did-use theym to-become a more-good speaker; then all persons of the complete world would-be'able to-understand every other much more normally.

By use'ing PC_computers to-give simple copy'able learning_documents, reading_material, and teaching programs for standard self_learning everywhere in the world; normal English speakers and speakers of all other languages be'able to-be'come SIMPLE communicators within one day's time.

Normal English speakers be'able to-understand SIMPLE now; but not be'able to-answer (and be understand'ed); only if they think concious'ly to-operate within the boundarys of the 360 words. Not_English speakers who want to-learn English for a 2-th language be'able to-start with SIMPLE and use the 360 words as a "starting point that works" and learn more complete names_for_things in_the_future to-build up they's English ability as_time_go_by.
Before going in_to the unlarge_points of the language system know'ed by the name SIMPLE, it seem intelligent to-answer some responsible questions which everyone who hear of it for the 1-th time put to its users:

W'how and why did the system take shape
the ideas on which it have be'd builded
the needs and goals which it help to-grow
the ways by which it be'able to-be learned
its value to every person
its place in society
its reasons for being more-good than other systems

On all this points, questions take shape in the thinking of interested persons, and the answers write'd here possibly will-prove help'full.

SIMPLE be a plan'ed and proved choice of 360 English words which will-manage that needs of everyday live'ing for which a word_quantity of 20,000 words be normally used.

The simple rules that permit acting_words to-change and the wide-effect structure of the name'ing_words used, permit communication to-take place between 2 speakers after only a day of working with the language. Because the language be builded from English, normal English speakers be'able to-understand SIMPLE now; but not be'able to-answer (and be understand'ed); until they think concious'ly to-operate within the boundarys of the 360 words.

The 360 words not be the words most normally used, if compute'd by word_use_numbers; but all of theym be know'ed, and most of theym be in_use, by every English or America child of ten years.

There be less than 200 wide-effect name'ing_words.
There be about 60 acting_words.
There be about 50 acting_between, helping, and numbers words.
The other 50 words be words about move'ing in space, time, cause, effect, question, quality, etc. which put the name_words into operation, so that the complete system be'able to-work like a quickly_learned way of communication between all persons.

2. SIMPLE English have two reasons_for_being:

a. To-operate like a international connecting language for everyone; a quickly-learned "standard" 2-th language for use a'round the world for private communication, friendly'ness, and help in cause'ing the world communications environment to-grow (packet-radio and Internet computer_communication). Not_English speakers who want to-learn English be'able to-start with SIMPLE and to-use the 360 words as a "starting point that works" and to-learn more, correct, English names_for_things in_the_future to-build up they's English ability in_time.

b. To-prove_out SIMPLE as a structure_that_works for a do'able building of `Artificial Intelligence (AI)' and machine understanding of a person_speaked language. A use'full but boundary'ed_word_group normal_language in use by much_persons world'wide be a need'ed environment for make'ing machines which be'able: to-hear speaking, to-understand it (FROM BOUNDARY'ED COMPUTER DATA_STRUCTURE OF the WORLD connecting SIMPLE WORDS AND PICTURES), and to-answer quickly also by speaking.

3. Why 360 Words?

The normal quick'ness of learning words in a'other language be about three_ten (30) words per day_part (60 minutes). The normal learner have_no_problem to-give one day_part per day for ten-four days for learning the structure and words of a un'same language. There-for, it be possible for someone who nation_language not be English to-read in_full documents write'd in SIMPLE in less than 2 full days (certainly, day'ly use of SIMPLE be needed to-understand quickly and not to-lose one's ability). Intelligently, it be possible for one to-find the number of words needed to-manage usefull communication; in other words, the needed least-high number in which everything of wide-subject interest be'able to-be speaked about.

About 20,000 English words be'able to-be named to know'ed_words; and of this between 7000 and 8000 be in everyday use. Mature_thinking have lead'ed to the idea that about 500 are needed to-do the work correctly. The number change down to 360 by make'ing one word be'able to do the work of two if powerfull_helping_words be used before it (happy --> un'happy). So the problem have a work'able structure. In the end, it did-prove possible to structure the 360 choice'd words into a system; and this number be'able not only to-be write'd on one un'large document_part for quick look_up and change'ing to other nation_languages; but be'able to-be speak'ed on a sound casette_tape in 15 minutes (so that the complete word_group be'able to-be hear'ed by the learner in 1 unlong time, permiting hem to-stay interest'ed in learning).

4. Why English Words?

Because English now be the normal oneth (1-th) language or government language for more than one giga-persons (10)**9. It now be the two-th (2-th) language of the far-east; by 1990 it did-be government_order'ed in the learning systems of more than 20 nations, and have become'd the building_structure for most of the world's communications and computer systems; and its structure be more-simple than that of other important nation_languages.

No other language to'day be'able to-be simple'd to the same level. BUT the large numbers of words and word_changes of normal English be stop'ed in SIMPLE; there'for, it be'able to-be learned and used quickly.

5. What about Rules and Use?

The three points of SIMPLE, which muchly make_less the word_number (to 360) be:

(1) the standard'ness of changes (past, now, and future) to the acting_words (Ex: did-go, go, will-go);
(2) the choice'ing and use'ing of one wide_effect word where ten be'able to-be choice'd in English to-give the same idea; and
(3) like in Esperanto, the connecting of words in a probable structure to-build a un'old word to-name the idea being speak'ed about.

Because of the unlarge number of words (360) and they's unchange'ing use; the number_one problem of language learning now be cut_down to size. There be only seven connect'ing rules, which permit the learner to-get the most out of the 360 un'change'ing words; one of this be operate'ing with endings connected after acting_words ( -er, -ing, and -ed), an important structure for the reason of effect'ing understand'ability.

(a) Name_stand_in_words (Pronouns) change use'ing "m" at the end when needed after acting_word (He did-give Im the ball), they be: I Im we wem you - you - he hem they theym she shem it -
(b)--Connecting "'s" to name_word ending = have'ing and holding: (ex: the president's automobile) I's we's you's he's, she's, it's they's
(c)--Acting_words be the same no-matter number or kind (I go; He go). --Future acting_words be maked by the word "will-": (will-go). --Past acting_words be maked by the word "did-": (did-go ).
(d) Acting_words change end to "er" =a person (love --> lover ) Acting_words change end to "ing"=act name (live -->live'ing) Acting_word change end to "ed" = acted on (write -> write'd)
(e) Connect "ness" to make name (happy --> happyness) Connect "ly" to make whow (quick --> quickly ) Connect "able" to make quality_name (do --> do'able )
(f) Connect "un" before word to equal opposite (good-->ungood)

6. W'how SIMPLE operate with Science Matters?

One of the starting points for SIMPLE planing did-be the fact that in normal speaking and in all the sciences, large numbers of English words to'day be international. There'for, "radio" and "computer" be examples of words which are understanded world_wide; "watt" and "homo sapian" are equally international for they who be conciously working with electric_power or biology. And the word "international" be a international word. SIMPLE will-give the building_material to-operate the engineer'ing words in every area of science. And, because of its important'ness in engineering during most of this past hundred years, all the science words in much science areas now be in English and be used international'ly.

About five_ten (50) international words have at_the_start be'd give'd for normal use with the SIMPLE system; and every area of science be permit'ed 50 more words to-permit it to-connect_up with the persons working in that area world-wide. This un'normal word_groups do not effect the every'day_man, because the sciences theyself now be that un'connected that what go on at one international hearing do not muchly effect the science_workers at a'other. There'for, the problem of standard'ness in engineering areas be much more-simple than one would-think. In fact, the SIMPLE nuclear_center for words will-help the building of international word_groups for un'old areas of science in the future.

7. W'how persons will-learn to-speak SIMPLE?

The idea of growing the use of SIMPLE world-wide be maked much more do'able to'day by the two most important electric resources of we's world. One (1-th) be the PC_computer, whereby without a'other person to-help one learn, every person be'able to-learn the write'd and speak'ed material with computer learning programs and intelligent software. Two-th (2-th) be Radio/Telephone Computer_network BBS communications world-wide, the most power'full standard_make'ing resource that the world be'able to-use. Free and quick world-wide "packet-radio" and "Internet/FIDOnet" communications by PC computers give the most-good way possible of teaching SIMPLE to mega_1000000s of persons worldwide, and again_and_again permiting its use in international message tele'communications. This systems, all make'ing for a more-large degree of standard'ness, be now all'most unstop'able on we's quickly down_size'ing World, which grow more_and_more conscious of the waste caused by the un'needed boundarys of language everyday.

The mature English speaker will-need to-be concious of the 360 words and to-stay within the boundarys to-make he'self understand'ed by others, or to intelligent_machines. Not_English speakers will-need to-learn the 360 SIMPLE words for the 1-th time, and then use theym again_and_again in communications to truely make theym a complete part of they's thinking.

But SIMPLE be more than a use'full international system, to-be learned for reasons of communication with persons of other_nations who boundary theyself to 360 words. Morely, it be a science_build'ed connecter to-useing normal English. And it not only be a structure for geting standard'ness in thinking and speaking, but at the same time of building a understanding into the operate'ing_needs of `AI' machine_intelligent computers of the future.

8. What be SIMPLE-English like?

Truely, by now, you must-know that this complete document be write'd in SIMPLE! Question: you be'able to-read it? THIS_DAY I WILL-MAKE I'S VALUE A HUNDRED TIMES MORE-LARGE. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. A very unwide_rope material help`ed by the thinking of man be'able to-become a beautiful_garment. Un'wanted solid_earth_material help'ed by the thinking of man be'able to-become a very large house. Normal wood help'ed by the thinking of man be'able to-be shaped into a high_structure to God. The out'side_part of a soft animal help'ed by the thinking of man be'able to-be beautiful garments for a king.

If it be possible for unwide_rope and unsoft_earth and wood and animal_material to-have they's value make`ed a hundred, even a 1000, times more large by man; Question: I not be'able to-do the same with the unsoft_earth that have I's name on it? This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. I be like a live`ing_part of a growing_thing which have one of three futures: The growing_thing be'able to-be put`ed in a holder and manage`d within a farm_building and then eat`ed by farm_animals. Or it be'able to-be distroy`ed into eating_matter and fire`d in'to food_for_man. Or it be'able to-be put`ed in the earth and permit`ed to-start life, where it's gold head be'able to-find the sky and to-grow a hundred parts from the one.

I be like a live`ing_part of a garden growing_thing but with one unsame_quality. The growing_thing not be'able to-say if it must be feed`ed to unclean_farm_animals, distroy`ed for eating by man, or permit'ed to-make its number a hundered times more-large. I have a say; and I not will-permit I's live'ing_ability to-be eat'ed by animals, I not will-permit it to-be lose`d below the unsoft_earth_material of unsuccess'full acts and die'ing goals; to-be break`d open and eat`ed by the power of others.

This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. To-grow more large and to-cause more numbers, there be a need to-put the live'ing part of a growing_thing in the black'ness below the earth. And I's hope'd_for goals, I's unhealthy feelings, I's unintelligent_thinking, and I's simple ability, be the black'ness in which I be place`d to-cause Im to-start and to-be'come large and strong. But, like the live'ing part of the growing_thing which will-start live'ing and will-be'come mature if it be help`ed with sky_water and light and warm weather, I samely must-help I's body and thinking to-build I's goals. But to-grow to complete size, the live'ing_thing must-hold to and be boundary'ed_by the live'ing_earth itself.

I not need to-hold for I have the power to-shape I's future. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. And whow I will-do this? To-start, I will-make goals for the day, the day_group, the year_part, the year, and I's complete_live'ing_time. Like the sky_water must-come down before the growing_thing will-brake it's houseing and start to-live, I must-have goals before I's way in life will-be'come certain. In make'ing I's goals I will-think of I's best acts of the past and make theym a hundred times more large. This will-be the standard by which I will-live in the future.

At no_time I will-think that I's goals be unnormally high, for it be more-good to point I's fighting_pole at the stars and hit but a sky_animal than to point I's fighting_pole at a sky_animal and hit but a tree? This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. The long'ness to I's goals I not will-fear if I go_down much times before they come true. Everytime I go_down, I will-get up; and I's hurts will- not stop Im , for every man must_go dowm much times tohave success. True, a unhigh_animal be free from the problem of going down. But, I not be a unhigh_animal. I not be a unsweet garden_food.

I not be a farm_animal. I be a man. Permit others to-build a simple_farm_building with they's earth_materials. I will-build a large beautiful house with what I have. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. And like Earth`s_Star must-warm the earth to-cause the growing of a garden; the words of this document will-warm I's live'ing_time and will-make I's goals come true. This_day I will-make more-good-than every act which I did-do the day before. I will-move above this_day's high_earth with the most of I's ability, and after this day I will-go more-high than that. And the day_after will-be more-high-than that.

To-do more than the works of others not be important; to-do more than what I did-do the day before be completely what matters. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. And like the warm weather lead the garden_food to-mature, the same power will-get I's words to they who will-hear and I's words will-speak I's goals. Having say`ed theym not in_private, I not be'able to-stop Is words or I will-lose faith and spirit. I will-be the speaker for I`s future; and but much persons would-make sport of I's goals, they will-have hear'ed I's plans, they will-know I's wants; and then there will-be no geting_free for Im, but_when I's words be'come completed works. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. I will-make the good_act of trying for high goals. I will-do the work that a possible'ly_thinker will-do.

I will-permit I's faith to-go more-far than I's arms. I will- not be happy with I's acts but when completed. I will-make more-high goals when old ones be completed. I will-work to-make the hour_after_this more-good than now. I will-speak I's future goals to the world. But, I not will-speak of I's completed_plans. Permit the world, in_the_other_way, to-come to Im with thanks; and I want that I would-be intelligent to responsibly live that way. This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large.

One live'ing garden_food when permit'ed to-become a hundred times more in number will-cause a hundred like itself. Make everyone of theym a hundred times more in number, and continue the act ten times more, and they will-give food to every city of the earth. Question: I not be more than a simple garden_food? This_day I will-make I's value a hundred times more large. And when it be complete'd, I will-do it a'other time, and a'other, and there will-be surprise and knowing for the future of man in the Universe when the words of this document be make`d_true.

9. What about Esperanto?

"Esperanto" be a starting_try to-answer the problem of a international standard language, shaped on the same qualities find'ed in certain of the important languages of Europe. Esperanto did-be a "good-idea" that NOT did-get to use'full operate'ing_size, and now be all but die'ing. If it possiblely have connect'ed itself to international message'ing at the start of the tele'communications years about 1920, it most-probable'ly would-have grow'ed to use'full operate'ing_size and have success for today, because of its word structure, word_connect'ing_system, and word_use code'ing; but this did- not happen.

After 100 years, Esperanto have manage'd to-get only a 100 thousand un'connected users; English, on_the_other_side, have becomed the 2-th language of the East, and have grow'ed to-take success in all the large University and information/computer communications systems of the world. Today, with the complete Pacific area, to say no'thing of India and Africa, being the important_part of the international picture, one not be'able to-think that a un'used connecting system of not_English words be a success'full answer to the problem of world_speaking standards. But SIMPLE use Esperanto_thinking for the year 2000. The Following be the 360 Words of SIMPLE: (move to the right to-see all words)

Code:: NOUNS         NOUNS         VERBS      ADJECTIVES       ADVERBS       PREPOSITIONS SPECIAL      INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE

ability       metal         be            beautiful     about        above         0-zero        Africa        amp
act           military      break, repair certain       again         after         1-one         airplane      angle
animal        minute        build,distroy clean         all          at            2-two         alcohol       automatic
answer        motor         buy, sell     complete      also          before        3-three       America       civilization
area          name          cause         concious      any..^^       below         4-four        Antartica     code
argument      nation        change        correct       because       between       5-five        Asia          communicatio
arm           number        come          dependent     every..^^     by            6-six         Australia     conference
art           order         connect       free          here          during        7-seven       automobile    data
ball          paradice      copy          full          like          for           8-eight       bank          decimal
body          parent        cut           good          more, less    from          9-nine        bible         degree
boundary      part          do            happy         most, least   in            10-ten        Biology       disease
business      past          eat           healthy       much          of            100-hundred   calendar      doctor
center        peace         fear          high          now           off                         casette_tape energy
character     person        feel          important     only          on            and           check         environment
child         picture       fight         intelligent   other         out           but           Chemistry     gas
choice        place         find, lose    large         some..^^      round         bye           chocolate     genetic
city          plan          fly           long          than          to            hello         Christian    giga
color         point         follow        mature        that          until         if            cigarette     gram
criminal      pole          force         moral         then          with          Mr. Mister    club          gravity
danger        power         get, put      normal        there         without       Ms. Miss      coffee        industry
day           problem       give, take    old           this                        no..^^        college       kilo
discipline    project       go, stop      opposite      very                        nor           computer      liquid
document      property      grow          political     what                        not ...       dollar        liter
duty          punishment    happen        possible      when                        or            drug          medicine
earth         quality       have          private       where                       pardon        electric      mega
economy       quantity      hear          probable      which                       please        embassy       meter
effect        question      help          quick         who                         thank-you     engineer      micro
entertainment reason        hit           responsible   whow                        yes           English       milli
example       religion      hold          rich          why                                       Europe        minus
fact          resource      identify      safe                                      .able         gasoline      nano
faith         rope          know          same                                      .must         government    nature
family        rule          lead          simple        near, far                   .would        history       network
farm          savage        learn         soft          right, left                 .did          hospital      nuclear
fire          shape         live, die     standard      up, down                    .will         hotel         pattern
food          side          look          strong                                    ...er         influenza     per
friend        size          love, hate   sweet         east                        ...ing        Islam         percent
fruit         sky           make          true          north                       ...ed         Mathmatics    plus
furniture     society       manage        warm                                      un...         message       pollution

NOUNS         NOUNS         VERBS      ADJECTIVES       ADVERBS       PREPOSITIONS SPECIAL      INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE

future        sound         meet          wide                                      ..ly          museum        second
garden        source        move, stay    wild                                      ..ness        orchestra     sex
garment       space         need                                                                  park          software
goal          spirit        operate                                                               passport      solid
God           star          permit        black                                                   Physics       species
group         structure     play          blue                                      I             piano         tera
head          subject       prove         gold                                      you           police        universe
hell          success       read          green                                     he            post          volt
hole          surprise      say           red                                       she           president     watt
house         system        see           white                                     it            program
hurt          thing         seem                                                    we            propaganda
idea          time          shut, open                                              they          radio
information   tool          sleep                                                   self          restaurant
interest     tree          speak                                                                 science
kind          value         stand, sit                                                            sport
language      vehicle       start, end                                                           taxi
law           waste         sterilize                                                             tea
leg           water         suffer                                                                telegram
level         way           think                                                                 telephone
light         weather       try                                                                   television
local         woman         understand                                                            theater
machine       wood          use                                                                   United Nations
man           word          walk                                                                  university
material      world         want
matter        year          work
                           write

Not_English speakers will-need a write'd copy of the 360 SIMPLE words with equal'ness of every word in they's nation_language write'd at its side; they must-learn to-use the SIMPLE words solid'ly in they's thinking. Then, they be'able to-read the word_learning picture_document give'd with this information and to-answer the questions that be there. Read all the documents in this group, then speak with a friend in person or write world-wide by computer network communications, and you will-have success.

English speakers posiblely think that they be'able to-do no'thing to-use SIMPLE; but they be un'correct! Normal English speakers be'able to-understand SIMPLE now; but NOT be'able to-answer (and be understand'ed); until they think concious'ly to-operate within the boundarys of the 360 words.

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Messages : 6728 Date d'inscription : 28/02/2010 Localisation : France - Nord

Elle est dans l'encart CODE...
Fais un copier-coller vers un traitement de texte.
Utilise une police fixe, et tu auras une belle liste exploitable.

Messages : 6728 Date d'inscription : 28/02/2010 Localisation : France - Nord

J'ai repris les mots de la liste pour les mettre sur un tableur afin de dégager les mots vraiment utiles.

Le pb que je vois est que certains mots sont considérés comme des verbes et d'autres comme des noms alors que ce n'est pas tjrs le cas.
Ainsi "change" peut signifier à la fois "changer" et "changement".

Ma question est la suivante : quand un verbe devient un nom, ce nom décrit quoi :
- le résultat de l'action ?
- l'action elle-même ?

Quelle serait l'option par défaut la plus pratique ?

PatrikGC a écrit:: Ma question est la suivante : quand un verbe devient un nom, ce nom décrit quoi :
- le résultat de l'action ?
- l'action elle-même ?

Moi, j'dirais : "l'action elle-même". À preuve : des noms/verbes comme "rire, sourire" ; pour l'instant, j'en vois pas d'autre, mais y en a peut-être que j'connais pas.

À creuser : le sourire, c'est ce qu'on voit sur un visage, mais le rire, on l'entend surtout.

En anglais (et en aneuvien), y a to love (klim), dans la même veine.

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Pœr æse qua stane:

Messages : 6728 Date d'inscription : 28/02/2010 Localisation : France - Nord

Donc comme s'il y avait le suffixe -ation.

De ce fait : "to change" → "changeation"

De ce fait, que prévoir pour le résultat de l'action ?

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360 SIMPLE words

Picture Document Help for: Not_English Speakers;but English Speakers be'able to-learn more-goodby hearing 360 words again and again.

Picture Document Help for: Not_English Speakers;
but English Speakers be'able to-learn more-good
by hearing 360 words again and again.